tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post6825894757464437203..comments2023-11-02T01:26:40.503-07:00Comments on Background Score: Ilaiyaraaja Vs A.R.RahmanP.S. Suresh Kumarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-80409254686276494222013-03-21T01:05:49.806-07:002013-03-21T01:05:49.806-07:00James Vasanthan - Thank You.
Here is the sequel ...James Vasanthan - Thank You. <br /><br />Here is the sequel to that post<br /><br />http://www.backgroundscore.com/2012/04/another-experiment.htmlP.S. Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-45099718525067863482013-03-20T22:33:45.512-07:002013-03-20T22:33:45.512-07:00More than what the great composers have done in th...More than what the great composers have done in these films, the research and analysis of this guy flatters me. I bow my head to the critical work. Kudos!James Vasanthanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07437682799658577818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-52548484456028221922013-03-15T15:47:42.507-07:002013-03-15T15:47:42.507-07:00Stone faced Jyothika :) Lol :) very true. What a c...Stone faced Jyothika :) Lol :) very true. What a contrast to when we see Jo and Shalini...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-88437355737971355672012-05-21T07:37:40.691-07:002012-05-21T07:37:40.691-07:00Hoseki2010 - True. It is fascinating how a piece o...Hoseki2010 - True. It is fascinating how a piece of music can affect your life. It can teach a philosophy or two, that is so convincing in the way it tells you, you cannot but surrender to the idea, start believing in it and follow. For example, that piece from Thalapathi I wrote about in a post in this blog titled "Counterpoint" - It tells you that no matter how many contradicting layers you life is wound with, it is possible to always keep the inner peace guarded like the way the piece guards its harmonic integrity despite the two layers that make diametrically different melodic statements.P.S. Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-20015768481819359022012-05-21T02:54:28.867-07:002012-05-21T02:54:28.867-07:00First and foremost let me give my heart felt since...First and foremost let me give my heart felt sincere appreciation for what you have done. Great Job. Every work in your site is a class act. I am very happy to be here with you. <br /><br />Yes I fully agree with you. I will walk miles to meet Srividya. What an artist! She lives any day with us through all these scenes. Her cry in all these scenes is music music music to my ears. What a director Fazil is to weave these scenes! I love just listening to Srividya cry in all these scenes. I am in that movie as long as I am watching it. <br /><br />But after the movie the music the background score takes over me, rules me and continues its journey all through my life with me all the time. That is when the impact of music starts its journey in my very own life's experiences at every stage of it. Every step I take in life I can hear the tabla beats guiding and staying with me - Keeps telling me 'just throw without holding back the motherly love to the world around you'. If not for that tabla score I am sure I would not have picked up such thought so easily. <br /><br />I agree with you completely while also trying to say my insignificant thought that there is also something more to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-22597903159178941042012-05-21T01:56:45.104-07:002012-05-21T01:56:45.104-07:00Hoseki2010 - It is a pleasure to read comments lik...Hoseki2010 - It is a pleasure to read comments like yours. Yes, I get it. Though, I may not have realized it the way you do, I am sure, such music does elevate your soul. "Relating a background score to a movie I cannot say much." - You cannot go through the experience that you so beautifully explained without relating the background score with the movie. I just want to stress that this music could not have had an impact on you if it were just a standalone piece of music. If there was no story, no characters, no world that was created and given to Ilaiyaraaja, he could not have made these incredibly moving musical nuggets. For those few seconds of music to have an impact as it does, two hours of story that precedes the moment had to happen. Songs are a different beast altogether, which clearly stands on its own. They don't need the movie. They transcend the movie, before we get to listen to them and we allow it to invoke emotions in us even before watching the film for which the song was made. But, background score, at least the score in Indian films, is heard and felt, for the first time while watching the film. So, you cannot easily ignore the relation of the background score to the movie, when talking about its impact. We never know how we would have felt about the same piece (for example, that hesitant tabla strokes), if we had heard the piece before watching the film. Background music transcends the film, yes, but only after making its first impact strongly with the film.P.S. Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-43240433408209592382012-05-21T01:19:42.494-07:002012-05-21T01:19:42.494-07:00Relating a background score to a movie I cannot sa...Relating a background score to a movie I cannot say much. Since music lives beyond the movie for me, teaching me values in my life for me helping me taking my next step toward goodness. Music brings that quality at least in my case. In cue 5 when the boy's mother walks towards the girl and IR playing the tabla it is ringing in my ears for last 15 years. It has taught me to be loving to all human beings considerate to anyone and everyone, this single score. It makes be a better person even this second when I hear it. 27 to 33 seconds is a real bliss. Mother starts to walk towards the girl, tabla starts. Mind you, it starts only when mother takes the first step. The portion before the tabla does something to my heart and the tabla later soothes my heart. I am living my life in that score with a storm followed by a calm or stillness. True Experience. I have no other objective to write this rather than to draw an interested person attention towards it and may be if it gives him solace and peace I am truly happy very very happy. The objective is just to share my feelings and joy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-24810108242392762542012-05-20T22:30:45.362-07:002012-05-20T22:30:45.362-07:00Yes, ilaiyaraaja's scores always transcends th...Yes, ilaiyaraaja's scores always transcends the film. But, my theory is that background score, no matter how incredible as a standalone piece of music, can do only so much to enhance the emotional impact of the film. For example, ninaivellam nithya. The incredible background score in that film wasn't enough to engage the audience. It failed to connect. The significance of background score in a film is overrated.P.S. Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-58139179504346473152012-05-20T14:18:21.384-07:002012-05-20T14:18:21.384-07:00Hoseki2010
In any music as a listener I want to s...Hoseki2010<br /><br />In any music as a listener I want to see what I get out of it. What benefit I derive out of it. The music has to change me and make me a better person preparing me to face the challenges of life. The music is for me more than the movie it is used in - How much it can make me a better person, How much it can take me higher realms of life. That is where IR's composition stands out for me. By nature as a human I have so much fear in life. The violin in IR cuts through the layer of fears in me. That is my test. Another classical example is Isayyil Thotanguthamma in Heyram. IR's background is distinctive. I can hear it and relate it to the movie so very easily - Not like for this scene this the score. He comes up with something new a new standard. His silence in the score initially creates a fear in me to be followed by removing the other fear I have in life. These are my views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-11134105409262607882012-05-08T01:19:58.429-07:002012-05-08T01:19:58.429-07:00P.S. Suresh Kumar - Thank you and expecting more f...P.S. Suresh Kumar - Thank you and expecting more from youKeeKeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02086310142870786059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-15087722728498668492012-05-04T22:31:13.761-07:002012-05-04T22:31:13.761-07:00murugaraj R - Thank you :-)murugaraj R - Thank you :-)P.S. Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-79497529972393260462012-05-04T22:30:46.285-07:002012-05-04T22:30:46.285-07:00Krishnamoorthy K - "And Personally, I feel we...Krishnamoorthy K - "And Personally, I feel we can't and shouldn't compare the BGM score of these three films those based on three different cultures, places and traditions, even the story plot is same." I get why you say so, but irrespective of culture, place and tradition, the emotions are the same. I was just trying to understand just the depth of emotions that each composer was able to evoke with their scores. When I said, "the only case where comparison is valid", I meant that it is possible to do what I did <br /><br />http://www.backgroundscore.com/2012/04/another-experiment.html<br /><br />I am not sure, if I can do this with any other films of Ilaiyaraaja and A.R.Rahman.<br /><br />Thanks for understanding the intent of the post the way I wanted it to be understood by the readers.P.S. Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-72661006429742906542012-05-03T23:55:15.580-07:002012-05-03T23:55:15.580-07:00Great Effort Suresh.jus mind-blowing musics throug...Great Effort Suresh.jus mind-blowing musics throughout your blog. Keep going!...my best wishes fro you.Murugaraj Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-46910069889669572292012-05-03T22:29:25.451-07:002012-05-03T22:29:25.451-07:00Mr.Suresh,
Your effort is really great and the sc...Mr.Suresh,<br /><br />Your effort is really great and the scenes & the cues you have taken for the comparisons are excellent.<br /><br />And Personally, I feel we can't and shouldn't compare the BGM score of these three films those based on three different cultures, places and traditions, even the story plot is same.<br /><br />Hope you accept my statement.<br /><br />And also I feel A R Rahman has done a great job (Evan he has no chance to offer anything because of the dull performances and also the plot is not much suitable to Hindi culture as it does at Tamil and Malayalam), even the treatment and making of the Hindi film is not effective when compare with the other two.<br /><br />(Importantly, I have watched the complete movies many times in all three languages mostly Tamil and Hindi for it's songs...)<br /><br />I have read these kind of comparisons b/w ARR and IR many times, but this is my first reply comment for an article.<br /> <br />Thanks for your effort and I liked this very much<br /><br />Regards,<br />Krishnamoorthy KKeeKeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02086310142870786059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-65917841975655581312012-04-14T12:34:54.169-07:002012-04-14T12:34:54.169-07:00Excellent analysis!!!
I liked the Tamil version. M...Excellent analysis!!!<br />I liked the Tamil version. May be because its Isaignani.Raaja Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11860455579691722118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-50620801742198747592012-04-09T07:26:27.343-07:002012-04-09T07:26:27.343-07:00Sripathy Ramesh - I wanted to write about it, espe...Sripathy Ramesh - I wanted to write about it, especially because Ilaiyaraaja himself seems to have borrowed most of the sync points in the score from Ouseppachan's version. I wasn't sure if the cues used are new themes or instrumental versions of the song of the film. I should watch the entire film to completely understand the score in the climax.P.S. Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-20727943824233651382012-04-08T11:46:33.186-07:002012-04-08T11:46:33.186-07:00Suresh,
Thanks for the wonderful compilation of a...Suresh,<br /><br />Thanks for the wonderful compilation of all 3 versions and your analysis of it. It is a great study material to analyze how different composers approach a scene. <br /><br />I like Ilaiyaraaja's version the best. I esp love IR's cue 4 - the way he blends the semi-classical piece and the ennai thalatta varuvala melody along with the tension and then going back to the semi-classical piece. That was just really awesome. IR's cue 6 in kaapi ragam is my next favorite.<br /><br />Though "ARR vs IR" is very attractive, you could have added your thoughts on Ouseppachan's version too, esp since you included it in the video.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06903293799715897359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-81632041543885129742012-04-08T10:54:46.262-07:002012-04-08T10:54:46.262-07:00Harishsram - Thank you :-)
Mumbairamki - Thanks f...Harishsram - Thank you :-)<br /><br />Mumbairamki - Thanks for the detailed explanation of your understanding of the Cue 3 and 4. Make Sense. <br /><br />I was in 10th Standard when I saw the film and I was totally engrossed by the film.<br /><br />Ponnu paakkura padalam - Once I have been through this experienceP.S. Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09890572891853051925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-56803385916081755162012-04-08T10:35:48.806-07:002012-04-08T10:35:48.806-07:00Nice post .... healthy analysis .. :)
Few points ...Nice post .... healthy analysis .. :) <br />Few points ..<br /><br />cue 3 - The reason the music starts earlier is that - in an uncomfortable position , when your name is called - ur mind races of why am called , how would i face the mother of my lover ? So its the music for how the character feels which is untold . And also , the music and the tempo changes when Srividhya tells ' Ivanga unna paaknumkraanga' - at that moment the tension is released and guessing game starts . AGain the music changes again when Shalini' mom tells ' enna paa ithellam ..' - at that moment , an instant calmness comes to Vijay's mind - the music mellowed there . This is psychology at best !<br /><br /><br /><br />Cue 4 : This is another fantastic piece - mimicing the ponnu paarkum padalam - i think the music continues as, at back of Shalini's mind , she would be sub consciously thinking about the fact that she has to serve the juice to Vijay also and that mood continues and subtly changes to increased tension when she comes near to Vijay - and when the serving is done , it goes to the Ponnu paarkum mood . <br /><br />Suresh : U seem to have less knowledge on ponnu paarkum padalam - as i told u before , i will talk to ur mom and sort this out :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))<br /><br /><br />HIndi la ippadi overacting a .. thanga mudiala .. or is it because of Raaja it appears better in Tamil .. sathiyama theriala <br /><br />( music yellaam ok - When i saw this movie in college , i was laughing when everyone in the theater was emotional - Perfect material for lollu sabha ;) )MumbaiRamkinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2995232424873037966.post-22408881814402803052012-04-08T10:22:37.298-07:002012-04-08T10:22:37.298-07:00great effort. Though you concentrated only on musi...great effort. Though you concentrated only on music, with this post you showed ppl like me the value of acting, camera placement, scene transition, bgm, and wat not. enriching experience to say the least.Harish S Ramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00657590375705482092noreply@blogger.com